You cut their money back, for one thing... I go back a long way with the NEA.

I always thought of myself as inadequate. Kids of divorced parents always feel that way - that, on some subconscious level, they're responsible.

Well, we have certainly produced great art before we did this. In my view, there are any number of areas of government which tax money should not be spent.

Kids are the most conventional people in the world. It is more important than anything else for them to conform, and I was a kind of oddball. I was driven into being independent. I was very, very unhappy.